User talk:Game widow

Hey, no problem. I may become a regular contributor to the wiki once TESO comes out, I'll be sure to ask for any help if needed. I'm actually pretty new to editing Wikis, so I apologize if I mess anything up. -- Southtownjr 23:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I found a page using the Random page button that you might want to check out. It's Polish spam for Christmas carol CDs or something like that, and I'm not sure what the best course of action would be. http://www.tesowiki.com/index.php?title=Kartka_%C5%9Bwi%C4%85teczna_z_logo_firmy_30b7bf -- Southtownjr 23:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Removed and thanks for pointing it out. — Game widow (talk) 19:20, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

restricted at work :(
Hi hows it going bad news i can't add to the skyrimwiki anymore its being flagged up for "games" so i wont be able to edit it for a while however, bviously i can still get on here so the contribs can continue.

Abuse filter ban
Hi, my username is Zoroark173, and I tried to make a page for the Nightblade, and the spam filter bot tried banning me for spam? I think it was because I tried (almost completely) making a whole new page for it, so it thought it was just a huge spam post ._. is there anything that you can do abut this? -- Zoroark173 9:18, 10 October 201 (UTC)


 * Game Widow is out of town on vacation, but I'm watching her wikis for her. That filter only triggers on newer accounts, so once you've been around for a while it shouldn't trigger for you anymore. We've been changing them not to block anymore since it just blocks random IPs which doesn't do anything to stop spammers or it ends up blocking legitimate editors like yourself. Unfortunately the abuse filters aren't centralized on the network, so we have to change them on each wiki. I'll fix this one and remove your block. Until your account is a little older you can get around the filter and create that page you wanted by creating the page with some short text, then edit it. Sorry for the inconvenience.


 * Oh and welcome to the wiki! --Sigilbaram (talk) 17:24, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sigil :) and welcome Zoroakr173 :) — Game widow (talk) 11:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

User page sabotage; Queen Aryeen page
Please do not alter my user page, I am trying to ensure that the lore is correct. The fact that it is not well-known does not make it invalid. Scrollocaust (talk) 21:39, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Your additions looked like vandalism and were deleted on that basis. If you are making legitimate contributions, that's great, but cite your sources when changing lore — Game widow (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Teso wiki focus
That makes sense :) is there any area you're trying to focus in on at the moment? I'll see if I can't add something tasteful during this weekend's beta haha. --Flclfool (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear that you aren't put off. I will be checking in on a regular basis and if you need any help, do feel free to call on me or Encredechine, the German admin — Game widow (talk) 21:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Can I make pages for individual skills, their morphs, any other relative info?
 * Of course. — Game widow (talk) 12:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
 * For now, the pages for individual skills and their morphs are just redirections, but they can be converted to pages in their own right. If you encounter any problems doing this, just drop me a line here and i'll sort it out for you — Game widow (talk) 12:06, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Side bar
Hi, the deletion log, if I read it correctly, says that you deleted the page Current events a little while ago. It's still listed in the sidebar above RecentChanges. I don't know where the sidebar definition is, but it looks like the link should be removed. --Claret (talk) 13:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Good point! thanks for pointing it out :) (and the file in question, if you're curious, is Mediawiki:Sidebar — Game widow (talk) 13:32, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Thanks. --Claret (talk) 17:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello and thanks
Thank you for your greeting. It' interesting to be in on a newish wiki. Most of my previous exposure has been on the GW2 wiki. I am not a coder but full of ideas, some of them workable and others not so. I would be grateful for your thoughts on my note on Template_talk:Npc-infobox as an example. Thinking about location categories… Looking forward to the game and the wiki. --Rhynchelma (talk) 12:58, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * By the way, I'm a "grammar nazi", sorry but it's my OCD. --Rhynchelma (talk) 13:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not a problem :) Encredechine is a non-native English speaker so she may make some unintentional errors and i'm taking care of over 70 wikis so i can be a bit slap-dash at times, any vigilant oversight is greatly appreciated — Game widow (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Parameters
Hi, I am unsure of what the type and hold parameters are for in the Location infobox. Thanks. --Rhynchelma (talk) 20:17, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Encredechine copied large portions of the infoboxes directly from the skyrim wiki, so those fields are quite likely of no use here. I'll remove them. — Game widow (talk) 20:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, I thought I might be missing something but thankfully not. --Rhynchelma (talk) 20:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Quest infobox
Hello, I sorted out the objectives and the quest title in Soul Shriven in Coldharbour and had to add a few more objectives. I took it up to 40. Seems to be working OK. If you look at the objective items, Destroy a Coldharbour Sentinel should have a line break between itself, Optional Stage: and Talk to Lyris. Similarly there should be a break between Disable North Anchor Pinion and Disable South Anchor Pinion, Activate the West Anchor Device and Activate the East Anchor Device. As I remember, there is quite a bit of a need for a break as many quests have objectives that are similarly split and have options similarly laid out. Thanks. The actual objectives for that quest may be slightly different after the recent patch but the basis is there. --Rhynchelma (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Just saw this now, i'll tackle it in the morning (montreal time) :) — Game widow (talk) 02:18, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks --Rhynchelma (talk) 03:31, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * For now, all i can see as a fix is to simply make that optional objective a separate entry and renumber the following objectives. Personally, that's one of the more bizarre things carried over from the skyrim infobox and frankly i don't see the need at all. I think we could remove all that unnecessary logic and simply format the list more simply ... making each objective a link to a matching entry on the page actually requires matching headings (or minimally matching anchors) to be added to the page section outside the infobox as well, so as it stands, other than being gold in colour rather than white, there's zero benefit to this objectives list being broken up into separate fields. Does that make sense to you ? basically, i propose greatly simplifying things — Game widow (talk) 12:19, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

NPC infobox
Template_talk:Npc-infobox please

Quest infobox - again
Template talk:Quest infobox --Rhynchelma (talk) 05:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

What do you think?
As a layout using both the journal and objective info. --Rhynchelma (talk) 02:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * as a general rule, i'd say more information is always better. for layout, this sounds fine to me. — Game widow (talk) 12:46, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Again
Dark Knowledge - opinion. --Rhynchelma (talk) 14:57, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I would counter with The Venom of Ahknara, seems like better flow to me, but i can be convinced to entertain different options — Game widow (talk) 15:04, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, it does look better. However, branching is awkward and many quests have branches, some of them converging and others re-branching. How to handle that? --Rhynchelma (talk) 15:11, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's always a toughie ... I can show you what i've done on the witcher wiki (the main, convoluted quest), so in that general vein, i'd say have one journal quote area for each large portion that can be grouped into one "thread" and separate those with either section headings for otherwise visually distinguished bits of text outside the journal quotes. Make sense ? — Game widow (talk) 15:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just looked at it. I'll have a try and check back with you, thanks. --Rhynchelma (talk) 15:22, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I have redone xxx and ccc. OK?, I swapped from your "task" then "journal" to the opposite, it seemed to read better. Added bug. I really wish I could write wikicode. BYW, I am very unsure of many of the parameters' usage in infoboxes, some documentation - please. --Rhynchelma (talk) 21:28, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * If you could tell me which parameters you'd like explained most (or some ordering) then i can either explain or point you to some documentation. I'm guessing that the logic functions are the most mysterious. You can find out about them here and here — Game widow (talk) 21:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, I looked there but I got a bit but some had me running in circles. I'll list the parameters in a while. The quests are Soul Shriven in Coldharbour and Dark Knowledge. --Rhynchelma (talk) 22:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Both quests look much improved, thanks! On a separate note, we do have one icon which might lend itself to the "bug" template, here, just a thought ;) — Game widow (talk) 22:09, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Feel free to stick it in, I took out the reference to a bug png when I largely copied the code from elsewhere - thought image might be copyrighted, once bitten... I would struggle to put it back in but I am sure you can do it easily. I have spent hours fiddling with code that I half understand. Need a rest from code. --Rhynchelma (talk) 22:15, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Borrowing code from other wikis is all part of the deal .. wikis are "open source" by definition, despite claims to the contrary. I make an effort to "play fair" but certainly examining and repurposing logic is not a problem in any circumstance. This is precisely how i learned to work with wiki code and parser function logic, not to mention css (for which, if you use firefox, "firebug" is awesome). The buzzwords to look for online are "css", "parser functions/parser logic" and just plain old "html". I'll do my best to help explain stuff you can't track down, and the rest really is just trial and error, but i'm happy to look over non-functioning code you might produce and troubleshoot — Game widow (talk) 22:34, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought but obviously some feel differently. Thanks for your offer, I'll probably take you up on that. --Rhynchelma (talk) 22:40, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Notes & Signs
There are many "Note"s (some acting as posters or signs), "Letter"s " that give clues to or actually start quests. These at times have names "Letter for xyz", "Note to abc" but some have no distinguishing name, some have copies dotted around and there can be more than one "note" in an area. Any disambiguation page would grow rapidly, but maybe that's OK, other ways might be zone coordinates tho' not everyone has this. So how to label them/define them? --Rhynchelma (talk) 01:01, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, i'm not entirely sure what you mean, but if your only concern is that the image is identical, that's not big deal. Another way to deal with them is to simply have a "round up" page which has one image and then just a list (likely a table) with the specifics, like the actual note name ("note to/from ZZZ"), and what quest is involved. — Game widow (talk) 02:17, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No, sorry, not the image. Just as we distinguish between quest starter NPCs, I assume we should link to a specific "note" rather than a generic "note" so that we could add details of the location etc. Clearer, :)  --Rhynchelma (talk) 02:29, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Are you asking to have a field added to the infobox? I'm just not really following here, sorry. I can easily add a field. — Game widow (talk) 11:14, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Try again :). Case 1: A character is wandering through the world and finds a note on the ground called "Note" and interacting with this starts a quest, In the quest info-box, the guest giver is "Note". "Note"'s page refers to the area and perhaps coordinates where the note was found and which quest it starts. This is fine until you find another "Note" which refers to another quest. If you use "Note" in the quest starter field, then it links to the wrong note. So, how to distinguish them?  Case 2: The character finds a note entitled "Message from Bill", then there's no problem, except ofc if there are multiple Bills. In the first case if we call the first found note Note found in Auridon  we can use the form Note but it makes searching difficult. I hope this is clearer. --Rhynchelma (talk) 13:21, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * There are several ways to deal with that sort of situation. One way is the one used on the skyrim wiki, here. Each section can be linked to directly so the link in the quest infobox can 'zoom down' to the appropriate section. Another way is to call the page for each note something like "Note (Auridon)" and link to it using a link with different display text like,  Note  which would appear as a link to just "Note" but actually link to the specific note page. Variations on both abound on various wikis — Game widow (talk) 14:46, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * SO which are we going to do? --Rhynchelma (talk) 18:23, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * whichever you prefer, unless you want me to decide. — Game widow (talk) 20:16, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I prefer one item per page, with many notes likely, it could get very messy other wise not even thinking of the image that might need loading. --Rhynchelma (talk) 14:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine with me — Game widow (talk) 14:25, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

New Info-box needed
I think we could do with a new info-box for books, journals, notes and maybe the signs as above. name image (maybe a set of generic images) caption type book/note/etc location(s) - many items such as skill up books will be in multiple zones/areas and even randomly inside those areas quests (for involvement) craft - for skill ups anything else you can think of

The item infobox seems more designed for other types of item. Thoughts --Rhynchelma (talk) 14:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we can amend the item infobox to deal more efficiently with books, etc. Would that do ? — Game widow (talk) 14:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Entirely up to you. While we a re there, parameters at present

name = obvious image = obvious, i can add logic the automatically adds common item images based type unless a specific image name is supplied caption = obvious type = you'll add the stuff discussed here, yep skill = This field was included precisely for skill books to reference the skill tree in question slot = I guess this is hand/legs etc, yep, for armour and weapons damage = obvious armor = obvious weight = if there is no weight to items in TESO, we can remove this field value = obvious level = obvious set = if the item belongs to a specific set or series, the parent set/series can be referenced here ingredients = if making potions etc upgrade = if an item can be upgraded and requires a specific substance for such an upgrade, then it goes in this field previous = this field is for book series, specifically "previous volume in the series" next = this field is for book series, specifically "next volume in the series" descr = obvious

Thanks. --Rhynchelma (talk) 14:40, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added my comments in the section above, and i can add a location field easily enough. Would you like location and coordinate fields separately, or do you plan to put it all in one field ? — Game widow (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Location - well that's another matter, (a) it would be nice for coordinates, but, since there may be many variations, and I mean many, I think it's best to keep that in the body of the page. (b) Location box clarification

name = do we need this is it's PAGNAME? image = is this a map or anything caption = obvious location = this is enclosing location - see below zone = this is the zone that encloses, see below sublocation = see below faction = obvious


 * As to locations, I see that there are two "world"

Nirn Oblivion
 * Nirn hhas several continents

Tamriel Others I can't think of right now ...
 * Tamriel is divided in several ways, (factions and count Cyrodiil(sp) as another faction(, (provinces, but Reaper's March is in two provinces), (zones - probably a base to work from), (named areas, some with their own in-game maps, others not eg Mistral has its own map, Eagle's Roost does not), (some of the areas below zones have their own named subareas, not even counting phases}.Dungeons could I suppose be included as subzones/areas of the zone that their entrance is in.


 * Oblivion is divided into planes, each have or have not got zones,the Wailing Prison is structurally a dungeon of Coldharbour or a zone, not too sure.
 * So, at the end of all this, we need to define how "sone", "location" and "sublocation" are going to be used.
 * The above makes sense to me, hopefully you too. --Rhynchelma (talk) 16:35, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, images can be absolutely anything ... so far they've been maps because that's all we have. the maps can easily be moved to a gallery farther down the page. We can easily add the zone, sublocation and faction fields. I like having the maps, but they definitely don't need to be the featured image if we have something better. We can also have a location image and a map field if you feel that would be better (i'm happy enough with a nice screenshot as the featured image, and then the map in a gallery further down) — Game widow (talk) 20:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Understood, look forward to distinction between zone, location and sub-location. Or is that vague at this stage? --Rhynchelma (talk) 21:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added the following new fields: location, sublocation, zone, faction and quest. Like other fields, they will only appear if used, but they are now available and can be added to existing instances of the item infobox if you felt they were missing any information. I've also added some auto-categorising for notes, letters and journals based on the value in the "type" field. For now there are not automatic images, but i've also added a field to size the image if necessary. Let me know if i've forgotten anything. — Game widow (talk) 13:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will let you know. --Rhynchelma (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

NPC info box
I have added Curinure with a faction = Mages Guild. You may want to add a guild parameter (and the categorisation) to the info box to make the categorisation clearer? --Rhynchelma (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Consider it done — Game widow (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Rhynchelma (talk) 16:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you want this level of detail?
It takes ages. --Rhynchelma (talk) 19:31, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Which level of detail do you mean? if you mean exhaustive coverage of the game, then yes, though i don't expect you to do it all — Game widow (talk) 19:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I meant to the degree of Tears of the Two Moons. --Rhynchelma (talk) 20:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * oh, i see what you mean. I don't think the entire dialogue tree needs to be included, or even part of it. My personal preference is to give a reasonable amount of detail in an overview-type walkthrough. However, since you did all that work, there's no need to remove it, we can turn that section into a collapsible area that more detail oriented users can check out if they choose. How does that sound ? — Game widow (talk) 21:32, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Whatever you feel appropriate, I am feeling my way here. --Rhynchelma (talk) 21:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

More height?
have a look at Frontier, Conquest, and Accommodation: A Social History of Cyrodiil - the title section of the info box. Does it need fixing for height? --Rhynchelma (talk) 21:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * oh yes indeed and that's not a trivial fix. I'm on it — Game widow (talk) 23:06, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * :) --Rhynchelma (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)